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Aug 29
2008

Sir, can I talk to you for a minute?

Posted by: Ravi Ramakantan

Ravi Ramakantan

Mornings, for me, are an assembly line.  

 

Nothing seems to change .. well, most of the time. With the most important event of the morning - packing my son off to school behind me, I turn my attention to the more mundane things in life and generally look forward to the day at work. And even as I climb down the three stairs of the AD Bungalow and take a long walk lasting all of  three minutes to reach the department, I spend a few brief seconds trying to organize the six things that I would have to do - first thing - on reaching the department (I have long since forgotten how to remember any list longer than six - that was always the limit of my DD – now, even that is becoming difficult!) 

 

The number one thing is - check my mail – without this, my engine refuses to start. Even as I do this, once in a while, often, on a Monday, - I hear a hesitant voice behind me –

 

 

“Sir, can I speak to you for a minute?” 

 

That does it - I tell myself - even as I turn my head grudgingly at the poor resident  -  because, from years of being a head of a department (I have long since stopped counting how many), I  know what these words mean. They mean TROUBLE. That resident of mine has had a tough time the last night - got into an argument with a surgical resident about an ‘unindicated’ sonogram. His voice is anguished, when he says that the surgical resident used expletives in the course of their ‘fight’. Expletives? Against my resident.. My passion is aroused. A war cry goes out. The surgical resident is summoned and summarily fired. The radiology general has resurrected his loyal man in war!! I feel good; my resident feels good.

 

This event repeats itself with the same results. Each time, my morning is made; I am hero amongst my residents!

 

Then, some five years ago there was a twist to the tale. Even as I was about to blast off an OBGYN resident, she hesitatingly said:

 

 “Sir, can I say something?”

 

Lost for words at this unexpected response, I plodded her to go on. What followed was a narration of events exactly the opposite what my resident had told me. According to her, my resident was at fault. My resident had been rude. Drops of saline cascaded down her cheek I had learnt my lesson in life –not once , but several times thereafter, that  the versions from two people are always different- often very different – wherefrom follows what I like to call the -

 

“Ravi’s Law” (I would like to think that this is my original, though very few agree!) which states:

 

“The Truth is always somewhere in between” - with more experience, I now have a rider on this -

 

“Never make up your mind without hearing both the sides” - because in matters such as these, no one is really lying – they are often telling what they think is the truth!

 

Having learnt my lesson from a resident 20 odd years my junior, I often pondered over the whole issue of my resident Vs the other resident and in an amazing flash of rare inspiration, I realised how foolish I have been all these years.

 

After all, who are all these residents?  

 

They are bright, young and enthusiastic people in their mid twenties who lead difficult lives during the three years of their residency. They are with us in our departments for longer periods than they are at home – some far away from home. They look up to us; they treat us with respect; they help us make our dreams into reality - they are always there when we need them the most. 

 

In turn, we owe them a lot – not just education in medicine, but a lot that they need to know about life and getting along in life. We are their guardians – molding them in their impressionable and formative twenties - teaching them not just to be competent physicians but good human beings as well – teaching them how not to make the mistakes that we have made. Teaching them that the three most important words in the English language are: 

 

“Please”, “Thank you” and “Sorry” 

 

If we can do this, we have achieved a lot.


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Dr NJ said:

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Straight from Teacher's Heart !
hello dr ravi..i m a Professor in a private institute in Kerala and a teacher to at least 6 students in a year.I am really touched by your article and it means a lot to be a teacher.we are here for our students to teach them not only radiology but also human values-'Please', 'Thank you' and 'Sorry' ..and we put in so much efforts to mold them..

Let me quote one example here- we put in so much efforts to prepare for a good lecture of one hour for days together so that we don't miss any simple point or reference so that our students comprehend the topic perfectly..but tell me how many times students stands up and say 'Thank you' at the end of the lecture ? Do they come to you to say ' thank you it was a very good lecture..'

Am I expecting more?.. just two words for our hard work. This thankless attitude is seen particularly in Indian students. Last year I had delivered a lecture in Boston, USA. I was overwhelmed with the acknowledgment from the students. Most of the Students and faculty members came to me after the lecture to say Thank you and also few them emailed me their view and comments.

Secondly, it is very unfortunate to say that they probably believe - 'out of sight is out of mind.!!'. once you sign their dissertation or lastly their recommendation letters,i guess they feel we are no longer worth for them..it feels bad that hardly few of them bother to turn up to say hello to their teachers...Students of this generation have become very selfish and mean..they focus only on their benefits and vested interests.

In my service hardly 4-5 students have come to me to meet me without any purpose. While most of others came only for their own purpose - signature or recommendation letters or request me for some job vacancy or met coincidentally in conferences where they are compelled to say hello. In today's world where it hardly takes one minute to wish happy teachers day through cell phones or emails our so very busy students don't find even that much time.It is really getting thankless day by day.

I feel you are very fortunate to get so much love and adulation from all your students...

Tell me one thing frankly how many students come to you only purely to meet you ..to ask you that how are you..? How many students send you emails on Teacher's day ?


Lastly my request (which may be everyone else too..). Please keep writing such good articles so that we keep gaining from these articles something new..!!

Finally after reading your article i hope our past students start saying 'thank you' to their teachers..

Thanks

dr N J
 
September 03, 2008
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Ravi Ramakantan said:

Ravi Ramakantan
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Dear Dr. Nj,

Thanks you for your time for the detailed response to my post.
I do not remember the last time my son said a "Thank you" to me for what I did for him "in the line of my duty". I do not remember the last time I said "Thank you" to my parents for what they have done for me. I think when you are that close in the "most close and holy of human relationships" such as the one between the teacher and the taught is - vocalised "Thank yous" are not important. Also, if we look back at our own lives, how may of us have said "Thank you" to our teachers after a lecture?. In western culture it is a culture to smile and say "Thank you" as a matter of routine; perhaps it is not so here. But,. I dare say that it does not really mean lack of gratefulness. Surely, residents e mail me and drop in even without a specific reason. Some of the mails I receive from them are work of art and emotion. One day when I retire, I will post them on my blog. They will move anyone to tears.

I think we are ALL bound in this relationship; most students are grateful to their teachers but it only this year that it has struck me that I should visit my school and say thank you to the teachers in the school, to visit the couple of my teachers still in GS and say thank you , where as, cards and flowers keep coming our way from residents on all occasions - the only cards that I preserve.So, dear Dr. NJ, rest assured that your residents are always grateful to you and I wish you great success in all your endevours. Once again thank you for your time.

RR
 
September 03, 2008
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samir gandhi said:

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A great teacher of Radiology has now turned to be a Professor of Philosophy! And he is good at both. Dear Ravi, people like me who know you for long have always been inspired by your teaching and down to earth attitude. The younger generation as well as the seniors need to read your positive, selfless, humble and non-egoistic thoughts and follow them in their lives. Of all the times, we at present, need professionals and doctors who can spread the good thoughts and teachings without expecting anything in return. The results may not be immediate or obvious, but somewhere the teachings get imbibed in the psyche of the student and shapes his behavior in future life.
 
September 04, 2008
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Dr. Shyamsunder Koteyar said:

Dr. Shyamsunder Koteyar
Our resident vs the other resident
Dear Ravi sir,
That was a nice article and an eye opener..

When I was working as a lecturer in sion, I too fought many of such battles, and agree that the truth always lies in between.

You have put your thoughts in such a simplistic manner, which is because you are one of the best teachers I have had a chance to learn from.

You are a role model for almost everyone of our generation who did their post graduation in mumbai.

Currently I am working as a consultant and as a royal college tutor in UK, and when I get +ve feed back from all the registrars, I always think of my teachers- you, Dr.Joshi, Dr. Bhavin and Dr. Merchant...

whatever facilites our mumbai hospitals lack, whatever be the level or status of all the equipments we had I must say one thing with pride, we in mumbai have the best and most dedicated teachers.

As I am mailing this , it is teachers day in India,
and hats off to all teachers- who have made me what I am today
with warm regards
- shyam sunder



 
September 04, 2008
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Ravi Ramakantan said:

Ravi Ramakantan
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Dear Sameer and Shyam,

Shayam: Thanks for your post and the sentiments you have expressed there.
Sameer - Nice to hear from you.The "Art of Medicine" can be taught only to an extent, it is learnt with age and experience and that may seem like philosophy.
An ideal man would live a life where people will say "He showed that philosophy can be lived"

Ravi.
 
September 05, 2008
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Dr. Mathan K said:

Dr. Mathan K
sir...
Sir,
As someone representing resident community i thank u for these lines...."After all, who are all these residents?
They are bright, young and enthusiastic people in their mid twenties who lead difficult lives during the three years of their residency. They are with us in our departments for longer periods than they are at home – some far away from home. They look up to us; they treat us with respect; they help us make our dreams into reality - they are always there when we need them the most".....in the two years of my resident period i am yet to hear atleast something wagely resembling your words..if only...thank you again..
 
October 01, 2008
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Ravi Ramakantan said:

Ravi Ramakantan
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I am not sure, I have ever said these words TO my residents; but these are feelings.. may be your teachers too feel the same way.. only they don't write it up.
 
October 02, 2008
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